Nina Fascione spoke with Mongabay\u2019s Abhishyant Kidangoor about what the report reveals, the need for the newly developed tool, and her foundation\u2019s plans to deal with the illegal trade in rhino horn. The following interview has been lightly edited for length and clarity.<\/p>\n
Mongabay: To start with, could you tell me how you got into this field of work?<\/strong><\/p>\n Nina Fascione:<\/strong> Personally, I\u2019ve worked with wildlife my entire career. I have been working in the rhino field for a little over five years. The International Rhino Foundation has been around for more than 30 years. We work to conserve all five species of rhinos, two in Africa and three in Asia. Unfortunately, when one is working to conserve rhinos, rhino horn trade is one of the primary things you need to work on. Rhinos are some of the most ecologically important animals I\u2019ve ever worked on in my career. They are pretty special.<\/p>\n Mongabay: If you were to describe where we are in terms of the illegal trade in rhino horn, how would you describe it?<\/strong><\/p>\n Nina Fascione:<\/strong> That\u2019s a very difficult question to answer. The numbers in our report showed a slight decline in trade in some parts, but the authors indicate that could be because of the different methodology. It\u2019s hard to do an apples-to-apples comparison. Suffice it to say that trade in rhino horn is as great a threat as ever to the survival of these species.<\/p>\n Poaching is undertaken by global criminal syndicates that use highly sophisticated networks of tools, technologies and people to perpetuate this trade, because there is a lot of money involved. Rhino horn is perceived to be very valuable and this illegal trade is still worthwhile to poachers and the high-level criminals that perpetuate it.<\/p>\n Mongabay: What are some of the challenges you face in slowing this down?<\/strong><\/p>\n Nina Fascione:<\/strong> In my opinion, by far the biggest challenge is on the demand side. How do you get people to recognize that there literally is no value in this? There is no value to rhino horn. It is made of keratin \u2026 the same substance as our hair and nails. It does not cure cancer. Science has proven this. It does not cure the multitude of things that people believe it does. How do you convince people who are driving this trade that it is damaging to not just the species, but our environment and our global heritage? There is no benefit except this perceived benefit. That is the biggest challenge.<\/p>\n Of course, there are huge technical challenges. The very work of stopping poaching so that rhinos aren\u2019t wiped off the face of the Earth \u2014 it\u2019s dangerous. Being a ranger is one of the most dangerous jobs in the world. They literally put their lives on the line every day to protect rhinos. There\u2019s technological warfare with poachers always developing different systems of poaching and of evading law enforcement. There are challenges with the reserves that try to protect rhinos needing to develop better technology to try to stop poaching. It\u2019s like an arms race of rhino horn trading, poaching and trafficking. So it is a problem of enormous magnitude.<\/p>\n Mongabay: Which brings me to the tool you had helped develop. Could you tell me what led to the development of the tool? What gaps were you trying to fill with it?<\/strong><\/p>\n Nina Fascione<\/strong>: The tool was developed by the International Rhino Foundation\u2019s partner, TRAFFIC, and funded by the International Rhino Foundation and Save the Rhino International as a way for people to visually understand trade and trafficking routes of rhino horn.<\/p>\n It\u2019s based on numbers that come out every few years. It\u2019s a report requested by the IUCN Secretariat. This is done in advance of the IUCN Conference of the Parties, of which the 20th conference is happening this coming November and December. So all the parties, all the countries, contribute to this report. The reporting on rhino numbers is given by the IUCN\u2019s Asian Rhino Specialist Group and African Rhino Specialist Group, and TRAFFIC does the trafficking trade numbers. This online tool is new this year. It\u2019s an interactive way for people to visually understand the number of rhino horns moving through countries.<\/p>\n Mongabay: Could you paint a picture as to what the tool looks like?<\/strong><\/p>\n Nina Fascione<\/strong>: It\u2019s literally a map. You can scroll over the map and you can click on countries and see the numbers from that country or territory. You can see illegal trade summaries for the countries that are involved in seizures of illegal rhino horn. That\u2019s the only way you know about it, when there are seizures of rhino horn. Obviously, we don\u2019t know what we don\u2019t know. So the tool looks at the trade routes and such. But it\u2019s just what we know.<\/p>\n Our hope is that it\u2019s used by conservationists, nonprofit organizations, governments, and hopefully they will use it to help inform their own policies and law enforcement efforts. This is a visual way to showcase the global pathways used in trade and trafficking. It\u2019s an easier way to understand the complex links of movements of rhino horn between countries.<\/p>\n Mongabay: Looking at the data, what surprised you? What were you not expecting?<\/strong><\/p>\n Nina Fascione:<\/strong> I don\u2019t think there were surprises in this. Those of us that work in rhino conservation are aware of it on a daily basis. What the International Rhino Foundation does, among other things, is that we use all the tools in the toolbox to protect rhinos. We do habitat conservation work, biological management, genetics, and we do captive breeding. We do everything that an organization should do to save the species. But fighting poaching is, far and away, the number one thing we need to focus on to save the species. So it\u2019s not a surprise to us that, say, 1.8 tons of horns were seized. It was not a surprise to us that the largest seizure by weight was in South Africa en route to Malaysia. It comes from South Africa, the country with the largest rhino population, and the end countries tend to be in Asia, countries like China and Vietnam. Sadly, nothing is a surprise. It\u2019s helpful information because we\u2019re fighting this battle on a daily basis.<\/p>\n The report did talk about an emerging illegal trade link between Mongolia and South Africa. And the Mongolia piece of this is a little bit new and had not been previously part of seizure data.<\/p>\n Mongabay: What are the next steps? How are you planning on using this data?<\/strong><\/p>\n Nina Fascione:<\/strong> The next steps are continuing to fight this war. The really brave men and women that are fighting this crime at all levels, from the rangers on the ground, to reserve managers to even the corporations or individuals that own reserves in Africa that have to put so much of their own resources into protecting this animal \u2014 because they value and appreciate having rhinos on the landscape and understand the role that rhinos play in our ecosystem \u2014 their lives are on the line to save rhinos.<\/p>\n The International Rhino Foundation will continue to do what we do, which is to draw attention to this matter, to raise funds to put people on the ground, to support our partners on the ground, to build capacity for fighting and hopefully get ahead of this constant war on crime.<\/p>\n Rhino poaching is a crime. It\u2019s a law enforcement issue. It is not just a conservation issue. These global syndicates that are poaching and doing this trade and trafficking of rhino horn are the same gangs that are smuggling drugs. We\u2019re up against a lot and it will take a collaboration of all the entities, from the reserves to NGOs to the governments to law enforcement agencies, to put an end to this and ensure that we have these really important species around for generations to come.<\/p>\n We will keep fighting the fight. We will keep doing what we\u2019re doing. I\u2019m thrilled by the press attention which helps make people understand that this is important too. Rhinos matter. Biodiversity matters. Saving species matters.<\/p>\n Mongabay: If we were to speak again in five years, what do you hope you\u2019ll be telling me about this issue? What is the most realistic best-case scenario in your head?<\/strong><\/p>\n Nina Fascione:<\/strong> We can talk in time frames of three years which is how often this report comes out. In three years, let\u2019s hope the trafficking numbers are reduced and the rhino numbers have increased. Five or six years from now, when we\u2019re talking about it, I hope the demand decreases and that there is recognition that this is a made-up market. There\u2019s not a real value in rhino horn. There\u2019s some evidence that younger generations aren\u2019t turning to rhino horn for traditional Chinese medicine the way their elders did. So that\u2019s my hope: that the demand is reduced. And in the meantime, I also hope that the protection side is strong enough to stay one step ahead or a couple of steps ahead of the poachers.<\/p>\n